I have said it before and I will say it again. My blog is my barf-bucket and if you step in it that is your problem. And when you leave me a comment then you are free game. William Wylie has been kind enough to leave several comments on this site in response to my post Answers That Slap You in the Face. And else where. (Be aware, this is a long post, sorry.)
I suggested to Wylie to drop his rhetoric and engage me one-on-one. To which he replied:
There is no point in going one-on-one with you, you couldn’t argue your way out of a wet paper bag, you think the truth is tired rhetoric, once more prove my truth wrong, find one scientific study claiming humans are the cause of global warming…just one….
I did not say that I wanted to argue. In fact I said the opposite, I want to discuss and have dialogue. Arguing just forces people to re-entrench and dig in their heels. Dialogue at least would provide the opportunity to admit being wrong or consider that very possibility. As for global warming AOL.CountryWatch.com discusses those very concepts. Another site discusses several impacts that human activity has had on the earth and, in particular the Ethiopian famine of the 1980′s. The earth is a system and if one variable in that system changes then the other variables are affected. To claim that humans have not had any impact on the earth is to be ignorant.
Closing the coal plants is a smart move. A healthy move. Building more in elsewhere in the world is a bad idea.
The real problem with our democracy is liars like you, twisting dialogue into socialist ideology..!
How am I twisting dialogue? How am I lying? When I say what I believe I cannot be hurting democracy. Democracy is all about having different ideas about different topics and working together to get things done that benefit everyone in that society. By silencing people because you disagree (and therefore they are hurting democracy) then you are effectively removing any possibility for some sort of progress. John Stuart Mills said, in On Liberty:
First, if any opinion is compelled to silence, that opinion may, for aught we can certainly know, be true. To deny this is to assume our own infallibility.
Secondly, though the silenced opinion be an error, it may, and very commonly does, contain a portion of truth; and since the general or prevailing opinion on any subject is rarely or never the whole truth, it is only by the collision of adverse opinions that the remainder of the truth has any chance of being supplied.
Thirdly, even if the received opinion be not only true, but the whole truth; unless it is suffered to be, and actually is, vigorously and earnestly contested, it will, by most of those who receive it, be held in the manner of a prejudice, with little comprehension or feeling of its rational grounds. And not only this, but, fourthly, the meaning of the doctrine itself will be in danger of being lost or enfeebled, and deprived of its vital effect on the character and conduct; the dogma becoming a mere formal profession, inefficacious for good, but cumbering the ground and preventing the growth of any real and heartfelt conviction from reason or personal experience.
Now, I started a dialogue and you, Mr Wylie, decided to take part by telling me that I am a commie, a liar, and a user of rhetoric. I will say that first of all your insults do not do anything to prove me wrong or show me where I am at fault. In fact you do not even suggest how being a so-called commie is a bad thing other than the implied intonation in your voice. I did not twist any dialogue into “socialist ideology.” This is because I initiated the dialogue on my own website. You, on the other hand, did take my words, did a sort-of search-and-replace with your own words and did twist it into to your favour.
Layton’s solutions to the issues in Canada are not adequate. The NDP answer is to remodel the entire nation after themselves. If you don’t like it then you are wrong. Speaking out against people of a NDP/socialist bent (especially if they say they have no political affiliation) apparently is a risky business. Just imagine if there were armed socialist mandarins on every street corner. Or union thugs with guns. Or (commies like yourself) with tommy guns.
That is clever. Unfortunately wrong. Saying Layton’s solutions are not adequate does not make them so. I provide examples but you do not. The NDP answer is to continue Canada on its socialized model. The Conservatives want to stop and back-track. One method is to continue forward (hardly a re-model) and the other is to stop everything and change the entire framework. To suggest “armed socialist mandarins” is either very slightly racist in tone or ridiculous considering that a mandarin is “shrub or small tree having flattened globose fruit with very sweet aromatic pulp and thin yellow-orange to flame-orange rind that is loose and easily removed.” That would be fun to see.
It seems to me that you live in a binary universe. Either a person is a conservative or a socialist. Or is it fascist and communist? Trudeau was not a communist. I am not a communist. To say so is to tell an untruth. Or, using your rhetoric it is “lies”,”innuendo,” and “insinuation.” I will repeat, I am not a Communist but I would subscribe to being a socialist.
It’s the socialists who are un-popular, thats why you can’t get elected unless you lie and call yourself a liberal…Paul Martin is giving money to a chinese organization that does not represent the chinese people who actually paid the head tax, can you say kick-back to the liberal party…
I am not a Liberal. Paul Martin does not speak for me. The head-tax was a horrible idea. The Liberal answer is a horrible idea. I agree with you. Why do you sound like you disagree with me? In my original post I was implieing the same thing of which the Conservatives accuse the Liberals: Saying whatever it takes to get elected. That is where we would disagree. But all politicians will say things during election time, and everything they say is to get elected. I was simply bringing attention to the fact that Harper reversed his opinion at an opportune time.
As for being lonely, I am not. If the Liberals are socialists and the NDP are socialists and about half of the Bloc are socialists (it is my guess that you would place them there, but to be safe I guess that half are and half are not) then I am not lonely at all. If you add up the latest percentages for these so-called socialist liars you will see that I am not that lonely.
33%Liberal + 16%NDP + (13%Bloc / 2) = 55%
Even if I am alone with my NDP friends then I am not lonely. The NDP have proven that they are willing to work with others to build a Canada of which we can be proud. And that pride can be instilled if we make sure that all Canadians are taken care of.
Change…!, yes lets change this socialist track we have been on for many years now, Mike Harris was right, Paul Martin cut transfers to Ontario during Harris’s term to the tune of 22 billion dollars, at the same time Harris increased health care spending and cut taxes, I call that sound financial planning in the face of such cuts, (don’t believe me?) just ask Dalton, Oh ya, and I need that 25 dollars a week, to pay my little sister to babysit, that is something you and the socialists can’t stand, that I might not want my children indoctrinated in the canadian version of Soviet Pioneer school…
If we must get off the “socialist track” then you should not get that $25/week. For working parents who have to work in order to make ends meet $25/week will not do. For Harris to increase Healthcare spending he would have to have been operating on the “socialist track” and if that is sound finacial spending then it sounds like you like healthcare. So why get off of it? And do you actually believe that a national daycare program would “indoctrinate” children? Do you actually believe that the people you call “socialists” and “commies” only have evil intentions? Is it possible that socialists only want what is best for the majority (or even all) Canadians? There are some other small-c conservatives out there who have, in some form or another, said that re-instituting the residential school system would be a good idea. Do you agree with such an idea? That would be tantamount to saying that indoctrinating people is a good idea. (Just thought I would throw that out there as a general question.)
Parallel to that line of thinking, why is speaking “out against people of a NDP/socialist bent (especially if they say they have no political affiliation) apparently is a risky business.” I have not and, as far as I know, neither have any NDPers or socialists threatened others with lawsuits. I do not wish to discuss this further. It is, in my opinion, a tired subject. I am just curious how my words, after being chewed up and spit back out at me, are supposed to hurt me.
One last thing…
I didn’t come here to yell at you, I came here to prove a point…
That being, that socialists use lies and insinuation, to promote their cause.
If socialism is such a good philosophy, why can’t you promote it with fact and conviction?
Why do you have to resort to lies and innuendo?
This site and your latest post, (answers that slap you in the face)prove my point perfectly.
I’ll be directing other conservatives this way, so they too, can see for themselves what socialists and socialism are all about.!
Thank you ….you have done me a big favour, conservatives all over the world thank you for showing us socialisms true colours…!
And I want to thank-you. I do not believe that I am wrong (no one ever really does) but I am open to criticism when it takes the form of an actual dialogue. You claim that I could not argue myself out of a wet paper bag. I do not know what that means except that maybe I spilled the alcohol that I was concealing in the bag. In that case I guess I cannot. I would just tell the truth. But you did not provide anything to really argue about. Your persistent use of the words “commie,” “socialist” and the like are reminiscent of Ann Coulter. If being called a socialist is not an insult to me then I guess being called an arrogant, self-absorbed, and self-righteous pretender to the throne of infallibility (aka Ann Coulter) is not an insult either.
But I beg of you, do invite your friends. Do invite your enemies. Invite your family. Bring the dog. Then we could talk. Unless you insist on insulting your own intelligence by using the same words to describe me rather than actually discussing what I wrote in a logical and thoughtful way. Also, please note, that I do not speak for the NDP, other socialists and communists or anyone else either living or dead. I speak only for myself. My opinions are my own. So if I am showing you “socialisms [sic] true colours” then I am honoured to be am ambassador but I am only a delegate for myself.
Peace to you William Wylie. May the economic gods continue to smile on you.